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Some cutting plants are simply allowing themselves a work process leeway to cut and meet deadlines without having to listen or master accordingly for the job at hand, to ensure it can physically be cut and played back. So avoiding/preventing that cumulatively can make a big difference. The one surety with vinyl playback is that distortion goes up. But this comes not from limiting necessarilly.I say what matters is doing it better (avoiding unnecessary processing, via a dedicated master) when it can be done better. Whats really critical on vinyl is distortion, yes. Counting numbers is only a sign of fear and never leads to musical results. Its not about numbers here, but more about musical content. Nothing wrong with a -10dBrms pre master for vinyl if done right. The cutter has to find a compromise and thereby play a lot of factors with, running time, treble, stereo content in different ranges (the difference signal results in a deep cut, which takes up more space and takes up more time) and so on.Ī good cutter will weigh these factors against each other and try to find the best solution for the given situation.Ī bad cutter is to be avoided - that's why i recommend my clients to work with certain cutters i have chosen and warn them explicitly against brockers where you never know who cut.īut what helps are files that are not unnecessarily limited and have some headroom (no ISP).Ī problem at least as big are also the customers who have no idea about vinyl and decide at the last moment of production that vinyl is now "hip" and they think without considering the characteristics of vinyl that everything can be cut and also sounds good.Ģ4 minutes per side, with clips and high frequency peaks, super deep offphase basses and distorted "s" will always sound like ****, with every cutter. Making the bass mono in general and setting a low pass at 15k is certainly not the right way. In the end, this is probably the best solution if you haven't already been a cutter yourself and can easily estimate what works. Let the cutter apply whatever filtering or summing is needed for his system. I like dave collins comment in another thread: Only business guys likes another approach here. If the music works for vinyl (there are exceptions ofcourse) a good master is a good master, either it gets released on vinyl, CD or iTunes.
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One reason why so many ppl seem to be unhappy with the results from those plants.Īll these cutting here, cutting there, no limuting, only high resolution files etc are myth that are around for years. You know, making that super safe cut that needs no testcuts, no listening, nothing. I rarely get to approve a test pressing so it's on my clients to QC them at home.Yes, they try to make anything work without any deeper investigation I think. I'm concerned about these plants EQing tracks when cutting lacquers and thinning out the sides or losing HF clarity. I know there are circumstances where phasey stereo bass or extreme highs are out of bounds, but they're making blanket statements. That's what I'm getting at - Are they just using these frequency restrictions as a crutch because they lack skills?
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Thanks and sorry if this thread is redundant. I suspect that the pressing companies are just trying to make their job easier by asking MEs to conform to these restrictions. If mono bass is really necessary (?) then it seems to me like a lower frequency should suffice. <150Hz is where a lot of important sound is in panned guitars or toms for example.
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And I own records with panned bass or extended crispy highs. I've read in this forum that it's not true. Do not boost frequencies above 10 kHz." (Sorry but if a >10k boost sounds good then I'm boosting it.) They even go this far: "Frequencies above 15 kHz just cause distortion. The reason I'm asking is because I just came across yet another vinyl pressing company with instructions to mono everything below 150Hz and avoid content above 15k.Ī Guide to Mastering For Vinyl - Second Line Vinyl I know this has been discussed before, but if it's not too much trouble I'd like to hear from the experienced cutting engineers here and put this to rest one way or the other. Can I please get a definitive answer on this?